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Any thoughts on new tyres for our Dawes Galaxy twin? Currently looking at Gator skins or Schwalbe Marathon plus.
Chris
: Any thoughts on new tyres for our Dawes Galaxy twin? Currently looking at
: Gator skins or Schwalbe Marathon plus.
They're, um, a bit radically different! I know they're both theoretically puncture resistant tyres, but the gator skin does it in a way which keeps it like a normal tyre and an M+ has an enormously thick foam layer which changes everything.
I use gator skins on my solo - 700x28 - and I reckon they're a nice tyre for that, albeit a little slippy sometimes. They're resistant enough to punctures, though I reckon the main reason I don't get them is that I don't have to ride near hawthorn or glass.
My wife's commuter has Marathon plus because punctures need to be avoided. Every so often I look at them and admire the sheer volume of glass shards embedded in the rubber - they work very well indeed at resisting punctures. However the downside is they're heavy, pigs to fit, and don't ride well. I'd keep them for a bike where puncture resistance is the most crucial thing, eg something for town use.
I like the basic Marathons - another solo has those. They're heavier than the gatorskins and feel slower, but on the tandem they're reassuring. Don't pump them up too hard though, the sidewalls die.
Posher Marathons are available too, and many people recommend them. They're all heavier than the gator skins, which I reckon is a good thing for a tandem.
If you're after outright speed though, the gator skin might be worth considering.
: They're, um, a bit radically different! I know they're both theoretically
: puncture resistant tyres, but the gator skin does it in a way which keeps
: it like a normal tyre and an M+ has an enormously thick foam layer which
: changes everything.
: I use gator skins on my solo - 700x28 - and I reckon they're a nice tyre for
: that, albeit a little slippy sometimes. They're resistant enough to
: punctures, though I reckon the main reason I don't get them is that I
: don't have to ride near hawthorn or glass.
: My wife's commuter has Marathon plus because punctures need to be avoided.
: Every so often I look at them and admire the sheer volume of glass shards
: embedded in the rubber - they work very well indeed at resisting
: punctures. However the downside is they're heavy, pigs to fit, and don't
: ride well. I'd keep them for a bike where puncture resistance is the most
: crucial thing, eg something for town use.
: I like the basic Marathons - another solo has those. They're heavier than the
: gatorskins and feel slower, but on the tandem they're reassuring. Don't
: pump them up too hard though, the sidewalls die.
: Posher Marathons are available too, and many people recommend them. They're
: all heavier than the gator skins, which I reckon is a good thing for a
: tandem.
: If you're after outright speed though, the gator skin might be worth
: considering.
Hi
We have been using Marathon Plus 700x35c tyres for about 5 years now. We have had 2 punctures in that time where a thorn has worked its way right through the central "puncture proof" strip. Not many punctures but NOT totally puncture proof as they say! They also feel "draggy" tyres, so we are about to try the new Gatorskin Hardshell in 700x32c a much lighter tyre, but I don't know how durable.
Hi. We've done over 3000 miles on a set of Gatorskin Hardshell 700x28c running at 100 psi on our summer tandem and on faster rides in winter. The winter tandem (used for more rufty tufty rides) has done over 5000 miles on Marathon Plus 26x1.5 running at 60 front 70 rear. Both sets have performed faultlessly. I hope this helps.
What size wheels are you using? You have named the two current favourite tyres among tandem types, I have used both manufacturers tyres in different circumstances, and I think after some years of reflection I know why I prefer gatorskins in 700c. On 26 wheels there is one "small" (about 32 to 35mm dimensions) size gatorskin available, I only use them on road, ridden at very high pressure on tandems and has great cornering grip - but is nothing like as comfy as the 50mm tyres available in 26 which I prefer as they are also viable on trails and tracks.
I used marathons then super m for about 7 or 8 years in 700c and 26, but slowly got fed up with the hard ride and poor grip on bends. I used XCR for a while but had 3 of 4 tyres with the rim wire breaking - found two stored one like it after one tyre demounting and tube exploding on a ride. Worrying, but Schwalbe UK sent free replacement tyres in replacement.
In 700c marathons on tandems and solo use were really draggy and harsh compared to the conti tyres. I didn't notice the same problem in 26" size but only have limited expoerience of the super marathon in 26 as for various reasons I sold on my bikes fitted with them. I now use only 700c gatorskins on my solos, they are great.
I think it is the size of the air pocket on the plus that is the problem. Schwalbe have very hard sidewalls, conti make theirs very flexible, even the hardshell is much more supple than a schwalbe tyre. When the marathon plus came along I tried 700x28, but with 5mm foam reducing the inner air pocket volume of the casing by 20%ish I had to fit 23/25mm innertubes - the air pocket inside was so much smaller than a normal 28mm tyre that tubes were a pig to fit without pinching in 28mm size. Not surprisingly the super marathon tyre with a hard sidewall and much smaller air volume rode much worse than the conti with a traditional design. I live in a city centre so the start and end of every ride has 4 miles plus of urban glass to contend with but the puncture rate for both tyres was so occasional as to be irrelevent as a deciding factor. I have shredded two gatorskin sidewalls in 10+ years and they seem much more prone to impact damage.
The last 700c non hardshell conti I rode on a tandem disintegrated, the plies de-laminated in several spots inside the tyre and it bulged so much it would no longer rotate when inflated - on a ride at the TC rally in the Czech Republic. In fairness it was a well worn rear tandem tyre but I was shocked at the state it got in to. I fitted hardshells after that which were fine but have since sold on the tandem they were on before many miles.
I am using Dureme Tandem tyres (now unavailable) on my 26 wheel tandem, run at their recommended 70psi max pressure. These have double thickness sidewalls but no internal foam/gel strip so the tube has a huge volume of air and the ride does not seem harsh compared to other 2" 26 tyres. No punctures yet but not many miles either.
In summary my opinion is Schwalbe in 26 and gatorskin for 700c.
I hope this epic in navel gazing tedium helps.
: What size wheels are you using? You have named the two current favourite
: tyres among tandem types, I have used both manufacturers tyres in
: different circumstances, and I think after some years of reflection I know
: why I prefer gatorskins in 700c. On 26 wheels there is one
: "small" (about 32 to 35mm dimensions) size gatorskin available,
: I only use them on road, ridden at very high pressure on tandems and has
: great cornering grip - but is nothing like as comfy as the 50mm tyres
: available in 26 which I prefer as they are also viable on trails and
: tracks.
: I used marathons then super m for about 7 or 8 years in 700c and 26, but
: slowly got fed up with the hard ride and poor grip on bends. I used XCR
: for a while but had 3 of 4 tyres with the rim wire breaking - found two
: stored one like it after one tyre demounting and tube exploding on a ride.
: Worrying, but Schwalbe UK sent free replacement tyres in replacement.
: In 700c marathons on tandems and solo use were really draggy and harsh
: compared to the conti tyres. I didn't notice the same problem in 26"
: size but only have limited expoerience of the super marathon in 26 as for
: various reasons I sold on my bikes fitted with them. I now use only 700c
: gatorskins on my solos, they are great.
: I think it is the size of the air pocket on the plus that is the problem.
: Schwalbe have very hard sidewalls, conti make theirs very flexible, even
: the hardshell is much more supple than a schwalbe tyre. When the marathon
: plus came along I tried 700x28, but with 5mm foam reducing the inner air
: pocket volume of the casing by 20%ish I had to fit 23/25mm innertubes -
: the air pocket inside was so much smaller than a normal 28mm tyre that
: tubes were a pig to fit without pinching in 28mm size. Not surprisingly
: the super marathon tyre with a hard sidewall and much smaller air volume
: rode much worse than the conti with a traditional design. I live in a city
: centre so the start and end of every ride has 4 miles plus of urban glass
: to contend with but the puncture rate for both tyres was so occasional as
: to be irrelevent as a deciding factor. I have shredded two gatorskin
: sidewalls in 10+ years and they seem much more prone to impact damage.
: The last 700c non hardshell conti I rode on a tandem disintegrated, the plies
: de-laminated in several spots inside the tyre and it bulged so much it
: would no longer rotate when inflated - on a ride at the TC rally in the
: Czech Republic. In fairness it was a well worn rear tandem tyre but I was
: shocked at the state it got in to. I fitted hardshells after that which
: were fine but have since sold on the tandem they were on before many
: miles.
: I am using Dureme Tandem tyres (now unavailable) on my 26 wheel tandem, run
: at their recommended 70psi max pressure. These have double thickness
: sidewalls but no internal foam/gel strip so the tube has a huge volume of
: air and the ride does not seem harsh compared to other 2" 26 tyres.
: No punctures yet but not many miles either.
: In summary my opinion is Schwalbe in 26 and gatorskin for 700c.
: I hope this epic in navel gazing tedium helps.
We are going for Gaterskin Hardshell on 700 x 32
Thanks for all your comments. Our Marathon Plus 700 x 35 have lasted well but we have bought some Gaterskin Hardshells 700x32 for our new tandem. They don't have anything like the tread of the Marathon Plus. Let's hope they get us round the corners!
: We are going for Gaterskin Hardshell on 700 x 32
I use Marathon Dureme on my solo Size 50-559. They are the original Dureme not the later Tandem version. The first set did over 15,000 miles and had only two punctures one of which was a drawing pin the other a thorn that went through the side wall missing the puncture strip. They were used first on our tandem for over 1000 miles but then we had to stop riding it due to my wife's hip problems so I moved them to my Raven solo.
I like folding tyres for the tandem as they seem to have less problem with splitting along the rim line.
Prior to the Dureme I used Marathon Supreme. They are not as long lived or as puncture resistant but rode very well and didn't get many punctures. They tended to last about 3,000 miles after which the carcase started to fail.
I use Marathon Plus on my ICE recumbent trike Size 47-406. They have worn well and though not worn out i have replaced them after 13,000mils for the front tyres and 8,000 for the rear. I had a total of 6 punctures, all but one in the left front tyre which is particularly vulnerable running in the edge of the road in the thorn gutter or glass gutter in town..
: Any thoughts on new tyres for our Dawes Galaxy twin? Currently looking at
: Gator skins or Schwalbe Marathon plus.
: Chris
Thanks everyone for your input. Just to let you know I have gone for Schwalbe marathon plus with smartguard. Pleasantly surprised at the price of £21 each from Wiggle.
Chris